August 2025

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that post about kenochoric has got me thinking about the fact that it’s just really obvious that not everyone views gender in the same framework and it causes a lot of mutual confusion and frustration from everyone

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for the kenochoric asker, as a fellow kenic individual:

kenochoric is a neogender, which is not considered under xenogender. they may overlap, and may go hand in hand even, but the rule of thumb is that xenos =/= neos.

i'm pretty sure you can be outherine in any capacity and fit any neogender, considering the concept of neogenders is, simply put, that they're New Genders (you can read more here), while xenogender is understood as "an umbrella term for non-binary gender identities that cannot be fully described through their relation to concepts typically used to describe gender such as male, female, woman, man, masculinity, femininity, androgyny, neutrality, agenrinity, or outherinity." (from here)

in practice, xenogenders have been expanded to function alongside neogenders, but xeninity is meant to "fill the gap" of gender experiences. neogenders, on the other hand, are their standalone, new thing. "future" genders, if you will (/lh /silly). all this to say, your kenochoric identity can exist on itself alongside your outherine identity no problem in the slightest, no contradiction even. ofc you can do whatever you want forever, but yeah !

just wanted to add some to the conversation, since i'm very interested in kenochoric and it's a neoumbrella i treasure !! hope this made sense hahah

nonanthropy:

your-bigender-big-brother:

Xenogenders are neogenders. So are any terms that have been coined from 2000 and onward. The coiner themselves said so. Unless I’m reading it wrong which is likely, because the definition is really hard to read and understand for me.

What I don’t agree with is the coiner claiming “MOGAI” genders only fall under neogenders. MOGAI, I thought, was coined to include as many queer identities as possible. Because of that, the definition for neogender is insinuating that MOGAI was coined as a way to exclude people. MOGAI doesn’t mean identities coined recently. It’s literally for marginalized identities, so nonbinary (not a neogender) would fall under it. That bothers me a lot!

But yes, kenochoric and outherine can exist alongside each other. That can happen with just about any gender.

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I… don’t really understand what the neogender coiner [that is the coiner, right] is saying either. Honestly, for years I tried to explain the concept that you can have an autonomous gender identity that isn’t inherently xenogender, but I don’t think I ever did that good of a job :/ words are hard for me including right now where I’m about to be a huge nerd about gender umbrellas

I [badly, I’d imagine, I don’t really remember lol] explained a few years ago that kenochoric is a neogender [gender that is New] but it isn’t inherently xenogender. This is true! It is a “newer” gender, so it does fit under neogender, but it isn’t innately xenoine, just like it isn’t masculine, feminine, outherine, or whatever inherently. It inspired some more neogender umbrellas that are autonomous to themselves, and it felt sooo good. I love that neogender umbrellas caught on in concept, it makes me feel so much more seen and understood as a person! I saw people relate to the same feeling I was having, and it made me feel less alone. Like I wasn’t just… being weird, or something. Neogender, in the way I saw it being used at the time, was just Any Gender That Is Kinda New. But honestly, beyond neogender, beyond anything else, it’s just…. a gender, yannow? And an umbrella term. Neogender was just my way of still trying to tie it into MOGAI in some sense.

BUT. That’s not to say that these things Can’t be xenic, or outherine, or anything else, for other people; gender is weird and incredibly personal for everyone. I used to consider my kenosity masculine. Now, I consider it a fully standalone thing alongside being a man and a woman. Part of why the community started to be harder for me over time was that I felt like I had to battle technicalities and a bunch of arguing over veeeery specific definitions for something that.. well, for me, has always been its own standalone thing that’s not easy to explain. That’s just how gender is for me, I guess! It’s a weird vibe, it’s a personal identity, not something I can perfectly write down and explain all the perfect reasons why it’s this and not that. It’s like trying to fight a dictionary definition with your personal experiences, and I guess for me, defining gender identity on its own is hard enough

I’d get people saying, well, isn’t this thing you coined to not be a xenogender a xenogender for this technical, by-the-books reason? And it felt demoralizing because I was coining… the thing that I am. The personal experience I go through and live through, and I know what I am and am not! It felt frustrating to have that questioned because it doesn’t fit with someone else’s idea of what the thing I made should be. I don’t know why I’m not xenoine, or xenogender, in the same way that I don’t know why I’m not agender or something. I’m just not. Some people just aren’t. Some terms just aren’t. Saying “well it TECHNICALLY falls under this so it is!” flies in the face of the entire concept of personal identity. It’s how you run into exclusionism in the first place; how is gendervoid different from agender? How is gendernull different? How are bi, pan, ply, omni all different? Does it really matter, do we need to come up with totally different definitions to justify it? I think the answer is simple: people are what they say they are, and the terms they create to describe themselves are better explained by those people’s lived experiences and autonomy than by a technicality, than by making things “fit better” or “make better sense” to others

Then I saw people take this and run with it, twist it into it being “only its own thing! can’t be anything else for other people!” and that’s equally disastrous. Neogender isn’t a “better” term and MOGAI encompasses a looooot more genders than just neogenders. Besides, xenogender IS a neogender! I always saw xenogender as one of many umbrella terms under the label, they’re all huddled around in their little orbs and sometimes they can bleed into each other for certain people. They’re self contained on their own, you don’t have to be x to be y, but you can be both, you can be multiple, you can be all or none! Maybe I sound pretentious or just stupid, but I really do think people need to relax on hard-cut definitions a little bit. Neogender versus xenogender shouldn’t be so based on technicalities and excluding this or that, it should be based on what people’s experiences are… you know? Sorry I have no idea if this makes any sense it’s 4 AM here LOL!!

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Can you upload your new kenochoric flags from the carrd onto tumblr so they can be archived?

nonanthropy:

Sure. Here you go:

I’m also pretty sure you can archive Carrds with the Wayback Machine. All the Carrds I ever made that have miraculously not been obliterated are ones that were on side accounts. Ones I would have to spend time cycling through emails to log into. So it’s not going down any time soon, whether I like it or not. But, still. For your archiving pleasure.

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hawkeyeflags:

obscurian for anon!

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ryanyflags:

Kiaspec ✦

A flag with 5 equally sized horizontal stripes. From top to bottom, the colours are: black blue, dark cold purple, lighter purple, greyish light pink, desaturated warm purple.ALT

Kiaspec / keiaspec : an umbrella term for anyone on the kenochoric spectrum. It includes all kenochoric genders, partial kenochoric genders, kenic (kenochoric aligned) and adjacent genders, and genders which are in some way similar to / resemblant of kenosity / kenochoricness.

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The difference between kiaspec and kenic (kenochoric alignment):
There is overlap for sure, but they’re not quite the same. Kiaspec would be a broader label.
People who are keno adjacent, or in some way similar without being aligned, and whatnot, would be included under kiaspec but not kenic. Something that comes to mind is proxvir and juxera. They’re near, or adjacent if you will, to male and female, but they wouldn’t be male and female aligned right?
So I would say that’s the difference, but it’s possible I’m just not understanding what alignment means.

A decorative divider. It's in the shape of a straight line, with a 4 pointed star in the center. The colours, from left to right, are a chunky horizontal gradient of black blue, dark cold purple, lighter purple, greyish light pink, desaturated warm purple.ALT

I wasn’t able to find a kenochoric version of miaspec, fiaspec, niaspec, and such -iaspec genders, so I made one myself :)

A decorative divider. It's in the shape of a straight line, with a 4 pointed star in the center. The colours, from left to right, are a chunky horizontal gradient of black blue, dark cold purple, lighter purple, greyish light pink, desaturated warm purple.ALT

The k comes from the first letter of kenochoric.
And the alt term keiaspec uses the first two letters of kenochoric, instead of just the first.

The flag follows the format of 5 stripes, which all the -iaspec flags have, but with the lightest stripe second to last, like in the niaspec and abiaspec flags. With the colours just being based off of the kenochoric flag.
I originally put the lightest stripe in the middle, more similar to the majority of -iaspec flags, however it didn’t quite look distinct enough / too similar to other kenochoric flags, so this alternative colour ordering was chosen.

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lunaridae:

agender | gendervoid | aroace

nonbinary | kenochoric | obscurian

31x22 pride pixels.

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tredlocity:

eldritchkraken:

tredlocity:

hey whats a gender-neutral word for boyfriend/girlfriend?

Matesprit

ok i dont need anymore answers thank you

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amatopunk:

i remember a really long time ago i said that geese would be a cool symbol for alloaro people and now i think i am saying i think sneppards are cool for amatopunk. no reason for it i just think they’re really cute and whimsical

snow leopards would like to tell you that relationship structures are a social construct

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i remember a really long time ago i said that geese would be a cool symbol for alloaro people and now i think i am saying i think sneppards are cool for amatopunk. no reason for it i just think they’re really cute and whimsical

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amatopunk:

not aromantic but i believe in their beliefs tbh

it really should be so much more widely spoken about how bad amatonormativity is. ppl buried those discussions under years and years of aphobia and it suuucks. it’s a real thing that impacts everyone. it actively makes so many people live their life in a way that makes them unhappy but they can’t do shit about it because they think it’s normal or even necessary to being a person. you MUST have a partner you MUST wanna get married you MUST view your friends as lesser you MUST be monogamous you must do this you must do that in order to be fulfilled. well maybe you don’t know me as well as you think you do actually. maybe i know what i want and maybe the way i approach relationships should be my goddamn choice and an actual conversation to have with people i’m close to, not an assumption set by society that we’ve all just accepted as how it ought to be

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not aromantic but i believe in their beliefs tbh

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daybringersol:

starting to think romantic attraction is socially constructed in the same way that gender is. either that or im fully aro. which is possible. but also i feel all the feelings that alloromantic people describe (except the butterfly in stomach thing, but like i might just be too autistic to interpret that metaphor in the right way), i just dont see what makes it romantic. its literally just being anxious and obsessive about someone. ive been like that for friends, foes, family, literally every kind of platonic relationships ive had. im confused and tbh i think fully allo people arent confused enough about it.

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term-repost:

[ID: A pride flag with five horizontal stripes of: dark purple, dark pink, orange, pale yellow, and green. End ID.]


Amatopunk!

Challenging notions of what it means to be in a relationship, defining love, and how important each form of it is to society. Amatopunk as an idea challenges amatonormantivity, and how society views aspec people, polyamorous people, and others who do not fit into the “right” mold. Anyone can identify with amatopunk and be a part of it if it fits them.

While it was made with aspecs and polyamorous people primarily in mind, this is because those are groups I am in. So long as you identify with the ideas of amatopunk, you are welcome to use it however you want. Disabled people, trans people, GNC people, POC, and so many more can be under this label; anyone who wants to be amatopunk is.

Amatopunk will mean different things for different people, and that’s okay. It’s a broad, inclusive label for different types of people, and how amatonormantivity affects them and/or their community.

Amatopunk is focused on both relationships and love itself. Some people have gone around saying it’s strictly, or more specifically, about relationships, and this is not true. Amatopunk is about both love and relationships!

Amatopunk does not include or endorse dangerous relationship styles, or things that harm other people. Notable examples include pedophilia, zoophilia, and incest. Please do not everuse this flag to create incestuous, pedophilic, or abusive content.


Amatopunk ideas and notions!

Fighting the idea that certain kinds of relationships are necessary

Fighting the idea that love must be followed a certain way, or that you must experience certain kinds of it

Fighting the idea that sex is required in any kind of relationship

Inclusion of aspecs, polyamorous people, and others within the community, and fighting against the stigma they deal with. Amatopunk is no place for bigots or exclusionary ideas.

Erasing the idea that you need any kind of relationship to be whole, or happy. Relationships are a choice, not a must.

For many, amatopunk may include relationship anarchy; it’s a big topic, so I definitely suggest looking this up!

Breaking down what it means to be in a QPR versus a romantic relationship versus a friendship; the “lines” between the two are important to many, but they are not a must. Friends can kiss and have intimate relationships, romantic partners can choose to never kiss, etc.- it’s about comfort and boundaries, not the type of relationship you’re in.

Challenging the idea that people like aspecs, polyamorous people, etc. are broken or cannot have a regular family. Furthermore, you do not need a family at all, if you don’t want one.

A family can be a man, woman, and two kids, a family can be three moms and one kid, and a family can be one man and 6 dogs; family is family.

A heavy emphasis on comfort, boundaries, communication, and consent in all forms of relationships

A removal from the ideas of what makes a family. Full inclusion of found families, queer families, polyam families, etc.

A rejection of forced gender roles on all genders, and of course, inclusion and representation of MLM, WLW, diamoric, and all kinds of other queer people in all kinds of relationships.

Marriage equality for those who do not have it, such as disabled people and polyamorous people.

Full inclusion of alloaros, loveless aros, aplatonic people, and others who may feel like outsiders in their own communities (so long as they want to be included!).

A rejection of amatonormantivity and societies perceptions of romance and sex in general.

(This is not all it can be! This is just some examples of what amatopunk may look like. As previously stated, amatopunk is a very broad, inclusive, and personalized thing, with experiences that even I likely do not experience being included within it.)


The flag!

The flag was made by me, and is a blend of various flags and other colors. Other people can absolutely make their own amatopunk flag if they would rather use a different kind! Furthermore, you can use mine for whatever you’d like so long as you credit me in some way.

The stripes do not have specific meanings due to how broad the experiences within this idea may be, and everyone is welcome into amatopunk, but purple and green were put there with aspecs in mind.


originally posted and coined by user Kenochoric /Kenochoric-moved

archive of the amatopunk carrd | archive post

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redacted-coiner:

Voidpunk, Amatopunk, Beastpunk(link)

Dyspunktional(link), Medipunk(link), Psychpunk(link)

Tenderpunk(link), Evilpunk(link), PunkSexus(link)

A green, light green, red and yellow wavy line divider, with four waves.ALT

Punk terms!

DNI is listed within my pinned post. Please go read it before interacting with any part of my content. Ask to tag!

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fagshag:

oh btw if your being amatopunk doesn’t include or consider aplatonic and afamilial people then you are not, in fact, amatopunk 👍

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sn0zzzz:

Amatonormativity is embedded in every part of our culture, even our language. When asking if someone is dating, one may ask if there’s “something more,” or if you’re “more than just friends.” The phrase quite explicitly places friendship beneath romance, something less than.

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pixel-flagz:

Amatopunk Flag Pixels

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vespercoll:

MY TAKE ON THE ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ CALIGIC FLAG

KLK, also called caligic or sablic, is a term for kenochoric people attracted to other kenochoric people, exclusively or not. It is the kenochoric equivalent to achillean, diamoric, and sapphic.

Flag design my own, term not mine !!

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